“Salafism Is Root Of All Fitna” – A Debate With Leading Kharizi Centre Dawatus Salafiyyah Leicester UK

                          By: Abu Arif Al Alawi

                      This debate was held between Dawatus Salafiyyah Leicester UK (Wahabi Kharizi) and Md Abul Kalam Azad ( Ahle Sunnah Wa Zamaat )  from February 01, 2011 to June 04, 2011. The topic was “Salafism Is Root Of All Fitna”. Dawatus Salafiyyah Leicester UK was having a discourse on a book authored by them named “ A critical-analysis-of-the-sufi-creed-of-the-elders-of-the-deobandi-and-the-tablighi-jamaah”. Md Abul Kalam Azad ( Ahle Sunnah Wa Zamaat ) asserted that Salafism Is Root Of All Fitna. Dawatus Salafiyyah Leicester UK (Wahabi Kharizi) demanded proof . Md Abul Kalam Azad ( Ahle Sunnah Wa Zamaat ) furnished proof and proved beyond doubt that Salafism is indeed the root of all fitna. Having failed to answer Md Abul Kalam Azad’s irrefutable proofs, Dawatus Salafiyyah Leicester UK started digressing, making takfeer  and finally commenced to delete his posts. Before going through the debate, it would be nice to have a look on the following key issues of the debate:

1.     Dawatus Salafiyyah Leicester UK demanded proof from Md Abul Kalam Azad for calling “Salafism Is Root Of All Fitna”. Md Abul Kalam Azad provided three proofs.

 Firstly, Salafis call Muslims belonging to Ahle Sunnat Wa Zamaat Kafir and Mushriks.

 Secondly,  Salafis themselves have been divided into countless sub-sects and are calling each other Kafirs.

Thirdly,  Salafis are making fitna with even minor issues. For example, Salafi Mullahs have given fatwa that saying ‘Hello’ in phone is haram.

2.    Dawatus Salafiyyah Leicester UK demanded proof where Salafis  have lambasted four madhab and called Muslims Mushriks ? Before Md Abul Kalam Azad got opportunity to provide reference, they themselves declared, “Hanafi ho to Mushrik ho aap. Muslim sirf Asli Ahle Hadees hi ho sakta hai. Baaki sab Mushrik Kaafir Munafiq”. [ Thus, Md Abul Kalam Azad’s assertion is established that  “Salafism Is Root Of All Fitna”]

3.     Dawatus Salafiyyah Leicester UK demanded proof of their being divided into countless sub-sects. Md Abul Kalam Azad provided exhaustive of Wahabis’ splitting into salafis, Ahle Hadith, Ahle Sahih Hadith, Kutubis, Zamatul Muslemeen,Zamat ud Dawah,Zamate Islami, Madkhalis ETC. He even quoted the fatwa that Salafis declared Zakir Naik’s dawah as the ‘Dawah of Shaytan’. Al-Hazoorie says that Mr. Zakir Naik’s Dawah is a mixture of Judaism, hinduism, Christianity, Rafidhiya (Shias), Ikhwaniah (zamati isalmietc.) and Aqlaniyyah (rationalists/those speak with logics) there is no distinction between haq and batil. [ Thus, Md Abul Kalam Azad’s assertion is established that  “Salafism Is Root Of All Fitna”]

4.    Dawatus Salafiyyah Leicester UK admitted ignorance of  their Maulanas’ fatwa on use of ‘ Hello’. Md Abul Kalam Azad provided authentic reference. [ Thus, Md Abul Kalam Azad’s assertion is established that  “Salafism Is Root Of All Fitna”]

After that Dawatus Salafiyyah Leicester UK started to digress and impose takfiri fatwas on Md Abul Kalam Azad. Finally, they started deleting his posts. 

 

             Debate “Salafism Is Root Of All Fitna” : Dawatus Salafiyyah Leicester UK ( Salafi) Vs  Md Abul Kalam Azad ( Sunni )

                     

[ Link :  http://asalafiyaleicester.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/a-critical-analysis-of-the-sufi-creed-of-the-elders-of-the-deobandi-and-the-tablighi-jamaah/#comment-163 ]

                                                                  

Md Abul Kalam Azad

February 1, 2011 at 15:54 | #22

DEobandi standpoint on issues of aqida is simply contradictory. And about salafis? they are the root of all fitna. Both are the poisonous fruits of same tree.FOr the unity of muslim ummah, both are dangerous.However innocent youths falling in their traps need to be rescued from their propaganda.

                                                                                                

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asalafiyaleicester

February 1, 2011 at 22:56 | #23

Azad can explain how the salafis are the root of all fitna?

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Md Abul Kalam Azad

February 2, 2011 at 05:42 | #24

              Salafism/Ahle Hadith, main branch of wahabism,is very obstinate and dogmatic in their understanding of islam.their scholars are so arrogant, hauhty and proud. they departed from the traditional Isalm and classical sholars. They only deem themselves as Muslims. They deem others as Mushriks and Bidati —-Not only Shias but all, even the Muslims followinhg traditional ahle sunnat wa ZAmmat.They are always ready with their guilotines of Kharizi-like self-coined Shirk and Bidat to slaughter the Muslims.They dont listen; They only issue fatwas.Fatwas of declaring the Muslims as Mushriks and Bidatis.

                They pretended to launch and spread their movement in the name of unity of Muslim Ummah. They lambasted the four great Fiqhi school of thoughts.But today they themselves are divided into countless sub-sects.They only spread hatred, violence and terrorism in the society.I don’t know which sub-sect of wahabism do you follow. But, brother, please work for peace and harmony. Please work for the unity of muslim Ummah. So many problems the Muslims are afflicted with.But my heart bleeds to say, we have been using all our energies, talents and intelligence to refute each other.the minor issues are being made bone of contention.

               Recently, some Mullahs have given fatwa declaring use of ‘Hello’ in Mobille as Haram and the result is, fitna surfaces in society. May Allah guide us along siratwal mustaqim.

                                                           

asalafiyaleicester

February 2, 2011 at 12:59 | #25

Can you give us some quotes from one our Scholars were they declared Muslims as Mushriks?

Can you you also give the proof that our Scholars Lambasted the four Mathabs as you have claimed?

Can you gives quotes where our Scholars spread terrorism?

I would love to see this

                                                                    

Md Abul Kalam Azad

February 3, 2011 at 13:12 | #26

           Dear friend! InshaAllah I’ll provide proof. Don’t be anxious.But righ now, Instead of expanding our discourse, let us proceed point by point.

        You had demanded explanation. I furnished.I provided examples as well.Let me have your comment first .Are’nt the aforesaid fatwa ‘on Hello’ and splitting of Wahabis into countless sub-sects uncalled-for?

                                                                  

asalafiyaleicester

February 4, 2011 at 08:19 | #27

First of all can you explain to us the creed of the “Wahabis” and how their beliefs oppose the quran and the Sunnah?

Secondly can you explain what is the creed of these sub sects and how they oppose the Main sect?

                                                                     

Md Abul Kalam Azad

February 4, 2011 at 16:29 | #28

            Don’t be childish, Friend! It’s really hilarious that the representative of salaism, the main branch of wahabism,wants to learn about own creed! And about the difference between Wahabism and its sub-sects?You know much better.It’s not related to our discussion.What I meant is that, Wahabis’ splitting into salafis, Ahle Hadith, Ahle Sahih Hadith, Kutubis, Zamatul Muslemeen,Zamat ud Dawah,Zamate Islami, Madkhalis ETC. AND ETC, is an example of fitna.This firqaparasti cannot be justied on any ground.Come on friend.Don’t digrees next time.Be bold to admit that it is fitna.

              Be bold to admit that fatwas like declaring ‘Hello’ in Mobiles as haram is totally unwanted.

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asalafiyaleicester

February 4, 2011 at 18:06 | #29

           You are the one that has mentioned all these groups so you can explain and enlighten us what is the difference between a “Wahabi” and a Salafi you seem to know so much. If you don’t know just say so there is no shame.

              As for the fatawa that says its Haram to have a ring-tone that says “Hello” please post it.I am not aware of it

                                                                

Md Abul Kalam Azad

February 6, 2011 at 07:42 | #30

                 Brother, I knew very well that your sectarian bias will not allow you to admit the truth.This is the main feature of you, the Wahabis. However, as you are bent on your silly digressions, I am entertaining.Hope, it will enlighten you.

              Firstly, your Saudi Wahabi Mullahs including Imam of Kaba have given fatwa that saying Hello in telephone is haram.Their argument is that Hell means Zahannam and Hello means Zahannami So,addressing someone as zahannami is haram! This report has been published in the West Bengal Wahabis’ mouthpiece monthly Ahle hadith December.2010, page 375. They have adopted it from urdu Rastriya Sahara dated 24.8.2010.After this, kharizis have strted to creati fitna on it.Doubtless, Assalamu Alaikum is the best greeting.But, Hello is haram?Is’nt it too much?

                  And splitting of Wahabis into countless sects? Brother, Wahabism was created by the British by their agent Md. Bin Abdul Wahab Nazdi for creating disunity among the Muslim Ummah.The Wahabis branded almost entire Muslim Ummah on this ground that he who asks for intercession from souls of prophets or of Awliya , or who visits their graves and prays through their intermediation, becomes a disbeliever.Thus, they enveloped the entire ummah with Kharizi Takafiri Fitna.Not only that, sponsored and patronized by the British and in the league of cruel Saudi Dynasti, they slaughtered thae Ahle Sunnat Wa Zamaat and set up Saudi Wahabi Sate, a puppet State in the hands of the British. very many books are there on h=this subject. For example, one may read Advice for the Muslim and Endless Bliss by M Siddik Gumus of Turkey and Terrorism and Illuminati by David Livingstone.

                   In the course of time, Wahabis stated to be involved in internal conflicts resulting into formation of several sub-sects. Their is no basic difference among these firqas. Desire of nafs, material interesst and narrowmindedness are the only reasons of this firqaparasti.Each and every firqa is calling people towards itself. All the groups are iisueing fatwas against each other.The result is, the general educated youths are in a fix. Secular education tells upon them spontaneously and when they come across these countless names,they start to move away from Islam further.

            Now let us take example of their fatawabazi.

              Zakir bhai MBBBS is an well-known Wahabi-Salafi preacher.Extensive propagation of Salafism is carried out by IRF by their Sattellite Peace TV Channels; Cable TV Networks and public lectures. In addition, they have trained thousand of preachers to spread wahabism in the name of Islam across the globe and in his mission he is sponsored by Saudi Monarchy. yet, this MBBBS doctor’s group {Zakiris} and Salafis are biting each other.

                Yaheea Al-Hazoorie, renowned Wahabi- Salafi sholar condemned in many of his writings and declare his dawah as the ‘Dawah of Shaytan’.Al-Hazoorie also says :This [Mr. Zakir's] Dawah is a mixture of Judaism, hinduism, Christianity, Rafidhiya(Shias),Ikhwaniah(zamati isalmietc.) and Aqlaniyyah(rationalists/those speak with logics) there is no distinction between haq and batil.Another Wahabi-Salafi scholar Abdul Hamid rahmani in his debate with Zakir Bhai MBBS came down heavily on him simply because he refuses to be called by the name of Ahle Hadith sect.THe evidence of these fatwas and similare other fatwas are available in the Wahabi Websitehttp://www.asliahlesunnat.com/. What a pity! Leaders are showering fatwas against him and the poor common ahle-hadithes, particularly general educated youths,are adoring him! Discuss in front of these unfortunate persons aboot WaliAllahs. They will taunt you.Discuss in front of them about sahabas and ahle Bait. They will taunt you.Discuss in front of them about Rasulullah’s(PBUH) Muzizahs.They will say, you are worshipping him.But take the name of mr. Naik. THey will be beamed in joy.Their praise for him will exceed all bouundaries. It deserves to be mentioned here that this Zakir Bhai MBBS had come under fire from Scholars of Ahle Sunnat Wa zamaat.Deobadi scholars also have fatwas against him.More than 20 fatwas of Kufr were issued by the Shariah Board of America against him.For details,one may visit LET US CORRECT OUR ISLAMIC FAITH Website.

                  Zamatul Muslemeen and Salafis are slinging mud only over their names.How ludicrous! Over the issue of Tawheed al Hakimiyyah, some Wahabis are calling other wahabis Bidati. Saikh Uthaiman,for example,says:” Whoever claims that ther is a fourth category of tawhid under the title tawheed al hakimiyyah is to be counted as an innovator”.Al muslimoon, may,97.After the 1991 Gulf war, thrre new trends of wahabism came into forefront.

1. The anti-political pro saudi sect identifying itself with Saudi Scholar Rabi Al madkhali.

 2.The political and mildly anti-SAudi sect identifying itself with Safar Al Hawali.

3.   Various Salafi-wahabi Zihadi groups. each set accuses the other of strying from true Salafism. albani, Baz, Uthaiman. all supported al Madkhalee. He pointed at a few famous Salafi scholars such as Shaikh Salman Al Awda. Shaikh Safara Al Hawali,Shaikh Saleh al Munazzid et….and said: “They were all deviants.” Falih said: “Shaykh Rabbi is a liar, a charlatan, a wild beast, he is sucha dog that bites, all innovators are with him…….” ( For reference one may visit, salafi aqeedah the flaming falcon swooping down on the dissenters of the Hanbalee Madhhab).

Hope, that’s adequate for your eye-opening.May Allah gide us along the Siratwal Mustaqim.

                                                                    

Awaish

February 7, 2011 at 08:35 | #31

Those who do Shirk are Mushriks.They remain so until they repent.
Forget about Deobandis.Any one who commits as-Shirk al-Akbar ……whether he is a hanafi,wahabi,”ahle hadees” is a MUSHRIK without doubt unless he repents.You cannot be a Muslim unless you are a true follower of Qur’an and Sunnah…….not only by words but also by actions.

           And who are you Brother Abul Kalam Azad???
           Barelwi ho kya aap ? Ya Shia? Ya qadyaani ?

           Hanafi ho to Mushrik ho aap.

           Muslim sirf Asli Ahle Hadees hi ho sakta hai.

            Baaki sab Mushrik Kaafir Munafiq.

Allaah Knows Best.
May Allaah guide you
Aameen

                                                                   

Md Abul Kalam Azad

February 7, 2011 at 15:14 | #32

My dear sweet brother,

          I am a very modest person. I am a Muslim belonging to Ahle Sunnat Wa Zamaat. I follow Fiqh Hanafi. But, like all Hanafis, I respect Shafi, Maliki and Hanbali Fiqhi school of thought equally. I am over head and ears in love with Sahaba e keram, Ahle Bait, Imams and WaliAllahs.

           Brother, you roared that except Ahle Hadeeth, the rest of all are Mushrik Kafir munafiq. This is nothing new brother. This is typical Kharizi Wahabi Takfiri lambastment.I dont blame you . You are brainwashed. The poor fellows like you have been trained by your arrogant firqaparast Mullahs in this way. They have groomed you only to declare others except you as Mushrik Kafir Munafiq on the basis of self-coined definition of shirk. And brother, this is one of the key charactaristics of Kharizis for whom severe punishment awaits.

        Dear brother,I implore you and all others to desert taqfiri kharizi sect and join the zamaat of Ahlus Sunnah to which belongs 85% Muslims.The great scholar Syed Alawi Al Makki Al Maliki(Rahatullah Alaih) and other Sunni Luminaries across the globe strived to rescue the Ummah from this Kharizi Wahabi fitna and in the process underwent suffering.

           Brother, you prayed to the Almightu Allah to guide me. Thanks. I always need my Creator’s guide. But same about you my brother. you also need His Guide.All Muslims need his guide.Only Satan and his followes dont need His Guide. We should not forget that acquiring ranks in the Hereafter is very difficult. The Hereafter is coming forward and this world is receeding backward.Death is near. Journey is long.Provision is scanty.Injurious and destructive elements are ther on the way. We are engrossed in the luxuries of the world and its comfort and enjoyments.

          This is going to be my last message in this website.

           Firstly because, abusive languages and fatwas have started to flow on your part.

            Secondly because, My point is established.I remarked earlier that Salafi wahabis are the root of all fitna because they brand all others as mushrik kafirs and give extremely unwanted fatwas.Furtermore, they are so firqaparast that they not only brand the Ahle sunnat Wa Zammat as Mushriks but they themselves have split up inth countless sub-sects and each sect is throwing fatwa against each other.

        YOUR DECLARING HANAFIS AND ALL THE OTHERS EXCEPT AHLE HADEETH AS MUSHRIK KAFIR AND MUNAFIQ ESTABLISHES MY STANDPOINT ENTIRELY.

May Allah guide us along siratwal Mustaqim.

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asalafiyaleicester

February 7, 2011 at 16:08 | #33

Azad Allah said in the Quran:And whoever invokes (or worships), besides Allâh, any other ilâh (god), of whom he has no proof, then his reckoning is only with his Lord. Surely! Al-Kâfirûn (the disbelievers in Allâh and in the Oneness of Allâh, polytheists, pagans, idolaters, etc.) will not be successful. (Al-Mu’minun 23:117)

So I wondered how do you justify making dua to the dead awliya?

                                                                     

                                                                    

Awaish

February 9, 2011 at 13:43 | #34

Brother I am not doing Takfeer on grounds of sins. Watch my words carefully brother. I am doing Takfeer on grounds of Aqeedah.
Those who corrupt their Aqaid with As-Shirk Al-Akbar are Mushriks even though they utter Kalimat-us-Shahadah. Allaah says in the Qur’an

Wa ma yu’minu aksaruhum billaahi illa wa hum mushrikun.(12:106)
“Aksar Log imaaan laane ke baad bhi Mushrik hai”

And I dont follow any mullaas brother. They are corrupted.They have sold themselves to the Awwaam. Majority of the Mullaas are corrupt today no matter whichever sect they belong to. Those who do Shirk are Mushriks unless they repent. If you do Shirk like if you make dua to someone other than Allaah(Prophet,Wali etc.),you are a Mushrik. If you disagree I am ready to do Mubahila with you. So are you ready brother???

                                                              

                                                                  

Md Abul Kalam Azad

February 12, 2011 at 10:10 | #35

              After my standpoint on your Kharizi Takfiri standpoint being established, you have strived to initiate a new debate.But brothers, how can I exchange views with those who know nothing except uttering Mushrik Kafir Munafiq etc. like parrots? however, if you are hell-bent on creating fitna among Muslim Ummah by declaring Ahlus Suunnat Wa Zamaat as Mushrik Kafir Munafiq, this humble person is beside himself with joy to accept your challenge. For it, open new page and post your questions so that it may draw attraction of maximum number of people. InshaAllah, i’ll satisfy you. Oh yes, I may be late in answering owing to my being extremely busy with my personal commitment. But, InshaAllah I’ll keep my words.

                                                                     

                                                                      

Awaish

February 15, 2011 at 08:19 | #36

You simply do Mubahila brother. JUST DO MUBAHILA. You make dua to someone else besides Allaah. You are committing a Shirk. Hence you are a Mushrik unless you repent. Are you ready brother for a Mubahila???

                                                                    

                                                                   

Md Abul Kalam Azad

February 20, 2011 at 04:19 | #37

          Only sounds of dry papers came out from Rabindranath’s parrot when its belly was pressed. When Kharizi Wahabis are pressed, Mushrik Kafir Munafiq Mubahila—— only thrse sort of takfiri rubbishes come out.Poor parrots! they have learnt to utter nothing else.

        However,I am still on my words. Open new page and let us restart discourse there with an eye to remove your misconceptions about Ahle Sunnat Wal Zamaat. But I dont expect any parrot in that discouse.Parrots’ chattering deserve no response.

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Shehzad Sattar

May 24, 2011 at 19:14 | #38

Assalaamualaikum brothers. I am really interested in purchasing this book. I used to be heavily involved with Tablighi’s and Sufi’s. Jafar, how may I purschase this book? Jazakallah-khair.

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asalafiyaleicester

May 30, 2011 at 15:19 | #39

Walaikum Salam. You can purchase a copy from me I will bring a copy to our Arabic Class .

Jafar

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syedsirajuddinsohail

May 30, 2011 at 13:20 | #40

Inshallah the book will be available in Hell…………..

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asalafiyaleicester

May 30, 2011 at 16:12 | #41

What are you saying salafis will be in hell?What beliefs or actions are going to to take us to hell? please enlighten us.

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Md Abul Kalam Azad

June 4, 2011 at 11:10 | #42

Your Khariziate and takfiri charactaristics will take you, the Wahabis, to Hell.

Sweet Brother asalafiyale! one word more! I take pity on you. Finally, you deleted my post dated May 22, 2011 and strived to prevent me from exposing truth!! Brother, Suppressing truth is a crime.

[ Link :  http://asalafiyaleicester.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/a-critical-analysis-of-the-sufi-creed-of-the-elders-of-the-deobandi-and-the-tablighi-jamaah/#comment-163 ]

  Wa Maa Alaina Illal Balaagh.